tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post7124395220925124444..comments2024-03-17T15:34:05.492-06:00Comments on MPECS Inc. Blog: SBS 2011 Backup Error: Add Destination Drive Failure – Cannot Configure Backup SchedulePhilip Elder Cluster MVPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06082028960643490292noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-81053463502699748372015-10-26T09:20:47.299-06:002015-10-26T09:20:47.299-06:00Mike,
We had a lot of success with SBS from 4.x (...Mike,<br /><br />We had a lot of success with SBS from 4.x (BackOffice Server) to SBS 2011 Standard.<br /><br />By 2011 Standard the product was getting long in the tooth for sure.<br /><br />Now, we have <a href="http://bit.ly/MIOurSBS" rel="nofollow">our own SBS product</a> that we're deploying everywhere including our client facing Cloud solution.<br /><br />The only reason we were able to come to developing our own SBS was due to the decade(s) of time put in with Small Business Server. It's an awesome learning platform.Philip Elder Cluster MVPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06082028960643490292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-21966839469788052172015-10-23T11:30:52.704-06:002015-10-23T11:30:52.704-06:00Using the elevated CMD line worked fine for us. An...Using the elevated CMD line worked fine for us. And furthers my dislike of the SBS product line in general. Thankfully it is slowly going awaySystem77https://www.blogger.com/profile/11184773552871104369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-53655116194858203342011-11-30T03:49:39.737-07:002011-11-30T03:49:39.737-07:00Hi Susan,
If I can park the slightly patronising ...Hi Susan,<br /><br />If I can park the slightly patronising tone of your response to one side for now, I can appreciate what you’re saying. I know MS have thousands of PSS requests and thousands of patches and Hotfixes to write. I’ve also been working with MS technology long enough to know that it can sometimes be very difficult to get the ear of someone willing to listen when “caveats” like this are discovered. So, no need to defend MS as I fully appreciate their plight…<br /><br />Despite my understanding, I would argue this is, in my opinion a major caveat. The software in question is fully supported by MS and the recommended solution for W2008R2 servers when restoring *.bkf files. You say it’s meant as a temporary measure but nowhere in the KB974674 article does it mention uninstalling before running a backup. BKF files are still used in the wild and people will still have a use for such a utility. I doubt very much this utility was written purely for people performing migrations. <br /><br />With regard to it been hardware related, we’ve had the same issue with HP and Intel boxes; SCSI and SATA. The post you refer to actually contains others experiencing the issue with Hyper V servers, so it’s pretty safe to assume it is hardware agnostic. Interestingly, and you might want to pass this on to your MS contacts, if we restore the server brick by brick – that is, install clean OS, restore AD, restore C - the core server functionality is OK; We can logon to the server and access Exchange…<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />MattMattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-83868480993504185422011-11-28T18:43:06.662-07:002011-11-28T18:43:06.662-07:00Dear Matt.
Are you working with David Michaud tha...Dear Matt.<br /><br />Are you working with David Michaud that is working with Jeff Middleton? Or are you posting on this thread? http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/smallbusinessserver/thread/be28b0a1-9cad-45aa-ad4c-b9e85e3128d2/<br /><br />You may think I'm talking koolaid here but I've tracking patching related issues for a long time and there's a similar "How can Microsoft miss this - it's soooo obvious" incredulous-ness that occurs there too.<br />First off, the ntbackup code is not native to the box, it's obviously meant as a temporary measure to get data from an old system (2k3 era) onto a 2k8 and later system. It would be probably wise, therefore to proactively remove it just because it doesn't natively ship on the box.<br /><br />There is no KB at this time because there's only been one support case (yours) and a few forum posts alerting to this issues. For a KB article to be written by support is has to be proven first. Until there are cases open (and forum posts do not cut it), do not expect a KB documenting this.<br /><br />MS is not denying this bug exists, MS only knows about this bug because only one person has called in about this case (maybe two if you are not David). They cannot proactively write a KB regarding an issue that they are just now being made aware of?<br /><br />You can't have the chicken try to cross the road until the road is built in the first place. <br /><br />I wouldn't class this as a pretty major caveat when it's code that's not normally on the box in the first place, and secondly, give support time to investigate before demanding that they write a KB before they can reproduce it themselves. There may be some unique hardware that you have that is the trigger here. Unless you can repro it on hyperV (aka hardware agnostic), it may be unique to the raid cards or hardware that you deploy. Microsoft is not Apple, they don't limit your hardware choices so sometimes there are unique bugs that track to specific hardware.<br /><br />So I'm going to ask you to step back a bit and give us time to repro this independently before a KB is written, okay?"Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534313244701791531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-5405668787994515952011-11-28T09:03:38.905-07:002011-11-28T09:03:38.905-07:00Sometime later and we finally got to the bottom of...Sometime later and we finally got to the bottom of the "black screen of death" bare metal restore issue. <br />Firstly, PSS basically told me that it wasn't supported to perform a BMR to different hardware. <br />Meanwhile, we could not recreate the problem in the lab with a newly built SBS 2011 server. Everytime we restored it was successful - even to different hardware. However, several 2011 servers we have "in the wild" all failed with the aforementioned blank screen and cursor problem. As you can imagine, we had no confidence that a BMR to the ORIGINAL hardware would work on these servers.<br />In a spare moment last week, I did another search of the web to see if I could find anyone else experiencing the same issue and I stumbled across this:<br />http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/smallbusinessserver/thread/be28b0a1-9cad-45aa-ad4c-b9e85e3128d2/<br /><br />Sure enough, we removed the NTBackupRestore utility and performed a backup on a server which previously failed to restore. We restored it perfectly - to different hardware! <br />Seems MS are in denial this bug even exists. There's no KB article on it and PSS were no help. <br />I'd class this as a pretty major "caveat" in the SBS2011.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-9697392093546889532011-10-13T17:19:14.990-06:002011-10-13T17:19:14.990-06:00It's been several months now. Has anyone had a...It's been several months now. Has anyone had any success with a bare metal restore? I'm about to replace the RAID controller on my server and was hoping to to restore it from a backup.Kevin Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17328805220094899269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-21626101782447594192011-07-07T11:27:19.138-06:002011-07-07T11:27:19.138-06:00Matt,
Please keep us in the loop.
Gary,
I can&#...Matt,<br /><br />Please keep us in the loop.<br /><br />Gary,<br /><br />I can't recall if we used quotes or not. It seems to me that we did not need to. I will screen capture the next drive addition using this method to verify.<br /><br />Thanks all,<br /><br />PhilipPhilip Elder Cluster MVPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06082028960643490292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-77172776359068031632011-07-07T10:23:48.211-06:002011-07-07T10:23:48.211-06:00When I tried to add the second drive using the WBA...When I tried to add the second drive using the WBADMIN option I initially got a "Bad numeric constant" error. Digging around I found a suggestion that enclosing the drive id number in quotes would remedy this error. Indeed it did!<br /><br />GaryGary Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04936039181599868668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-67916913144716318622011-07-05T07:10:41.352-06:002011-07-05T07:10:41.352-06:00Hi Phillip,
Thanks for you reply.
I've succe...Hi Phillip,<br /><br />Thanks for you reply.<br /><br />I've successfully completed a bare metal recovery to the same and "similar" hardware using the in built solution on a number of occasions with SBS 2008. Sadly, not the case with SBS 2011. Strangely, the way it fails would suggest something other than a hardware discrepency. The restored server appears to boot fine, no errors or BSOD like you'd expect with RAID or driver issues, just a blank desktop and a mouse curser.<br /><br />We've opened a case with PSS. Let's see how we get on....<br /><br />Cheers,<br />MattMattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-15161080750554723162011-07-04T12:36:11.956-06:002011-07-04T12:36:11.956-06:00Matt,
Bare Metal Restore, that is restoring the S...Matt,<br /><br />Bare Metal Restore, that is restoring the SBS backup to hardware with a different configuration has never worked for us since SBS 2008.<br /><br />We can restore the backup to a VM without too much issue or we can restore the backup to a server that is identical to the original, but we are going to ShadowProtect if we want to restore that box to a physical box with a different hardware configuration (especially the RAID controller).<br /><br />PhilipPhilip Elder Cluster MVPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06082028960643490292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-82593185934061350362011-07-04T09:45:26.199-06:002011-07-04T09:45:26.199-06:00I've just retrieved another backup disk from a...I've just retrieved another backup disk from a different customer using SBS 2011 and we are still failing to complete a bare metal recovery using the SBS backup disks. <br /><br />The restore runs through just fine but the end result is a blank grey "desktop" with a mouse curser.<br /><br />This has happened for two different servers now and I'm a bit (a lot) concerned by this...especially considering how well we've restored SBS 2008 servers in the past....<br /><br />I'm very much looking forward to other peoples experiences of SBS 2011 bare metal restores using the in built method..Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-71310945862079178972011-07-01T01:45:13.785-06:002011-07-01T01:45:13.785-06:00I have come across the same issue recently. I'...I have come across the same issue recently. I'm no qualified MS engineer, but install SBS regularly for customers. <br /><br />By trial and error I have discovered that if you leave the First backup disk you configure connected, and then also connect "disk2" you can add the destination drive in the normal manner. Remove "Disk2" and connect "disk3" and add that destination. All the while leaving "disk1" connected. I always use 5x disks... monday-friday. Perhaps more than is strictly speaking needed, but keeps things simple for the plebs that rotate the drives and take them off site.IanFhttp://ian@jumptech.biznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5976686513564131325.post-44994896636484239522011-06-30T06:30:07.649-06:002011-06-30T06:30:07.649-06:00I find this to be such a bug in SBS 2011. A real p...I find this to be such a bug in SBS 2011. A real pain too if you want to use meaningful labels on your backup disks - eg Mon, Tue, Wed etc..<br /><br />I will be interested to see how your bare metal restore goes. We have tried it and failed dismally.Mattnoreply@blogger.com